(10 Feb 2017, 5:14 pm)markydh wrote [ -> ]And then run the loop via Westgate Road, first, thereby increasing journey times to the city centre by at least 10 minutes. That's the issue. I don't see what is gained by swapping these services with the 63. I use the 62/63 services daily and it's the 62 that always runs late in the west of the city so the reasoning in 'speeding up' the 63 doesn't make sense on those grounds. I've fed this back, though.
Do you think they will listen? These consultations only ever seem to pay lip service but plough ahead anyway (as evidenced by Sunderland changes being registered with VOSA before consultation even appeared) - it's going to be even more blatant when these changes go though (it's hard to imagine they are going to receive any positive feedback for many (any?) of the proposed changes, but will they change their minds? Unlikely.)
In particular, who is going to respond to e.g. 39/40, X47, 87/88 changes to say anything other than "dont cut the frequency"?
Of course. None of the changes could be viewed as positive, although I've long thought it would make more sense for the X47 to run from Eldon Square Bus Station given the X77/78/79/87/88 all do! The only reason I think the 63 one is not guaranteed is simply the wording within the consultation. They obviously do listen to feedback (eventually) because I know I'm far from the only one lobbying them to make the X82 all stops from Denton Burn to Throckley and back as it always was until a couple of years ago. Though I suspect this will require some more regular interworking at the Eldon Square end to make the timetabling work (their argument for removing the stops was always 'traffic levels' which haven't got any better!).
I'm not sure sending more traffic into Eldon Square BS is generally a great idea but we shall see.
Anything on the West Rd is going to suffer tbh. It's an absolute nightmare that road.
(10 Feb 2017, 8:01 pm)markydh wrote [ -> ]Of course. None of the changes could be viewed as positive, although I've long thought it would make more sense for the X47 to run from Eldon Square Bus Station given the X77/78/79/87/88 all do! The only reason I think the 63 one is not guaranteed is simply the wording within the consultation. They obviously do listen to feedback (eventually) because I know I'm far from the only one lobbying them to make the X82 all stops from Denton Burn to Throckley and back as it always was until a couple of years ago. Though I suspect this will require some more regular interworking at the Eldon Square end to make the timetabling work (their argument for removing the stops was always 'traffic levels' which haven't got any better!).
Not sure about X47 going to Eldon Square - its a nightmare to get in/out and is already too busy...personally have always found it odd that none of the Ponteland Road services serve Central Station - seems a bit of a missing link to me. Also think the slashing of frequency by a third on the X47 is probably more significant to passengers than shifting the terminal point a few hundred yards.
The existing timetabling/interworking of the X78/X82/X87/X88 remains a complete mystery to me - always appears to be completely random which buses rotate on and off the X82...though I'm sure there must be a system in there somewhere!
(10 Feb 2017, 9:13 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote [ -> ]Not sure about X47 going to Eldon Square - its a nightmare to get in/out and is already too busy...personally have always found it odd that none of the Ponteland Road services serve Central Station - seems a bit of a missing link to me. Also think the slashing of frequency by a third on the X47 is probably more significant to passengers than shifting the terminal point a few hundred yards.
The existing timetabling/interworking of the X78/X82/X87/X88 remains a complete mystery to me - always appears to be completely random which buses rotate on and off the X82...though I'm sure there must be a system in there somewhere!
Maybe I am being cynical but the only reason the X47 is going to Eldon Square is in order that the schedule can run with only 3 buses. On the current routing, a round trip takes 45 minutes, so on a 15 minute service would be too tight. Running it to/from the bus station would allow a bit of recovery time. But if I were a regular user I would not be impressed with the 40pc (5 buses to 3 buses) cut in resources... suddenly the Metro becomes a more attractive proposition.
(10 Feb 2017, 9:13 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote [ -> ]The existing timetabling/interworking of the X78/X82/X87/X88 remains a complete mystery to me - always appears to be completely random which buses rotate on and off the X82...though I'm sure there must be a system in there somewhere!
I do believe the interworking only occurs at peak times - whenever I'm up Newcastle the buses that arrive on the X82 during the day go back out on the X82.
Well off-peak, yes, though the X82 'peak' is really 07:30 to 09:45 and then 15:00 to 18:00. The schools really complicate the timetable of the X82 and it going half-hourly isn't going to help matters in that regard one bit! It already struggles to keep to timetable throughout most of the day so being less frequent and having 3 more stops... I can only see it working if it interworked with another route. The X47 going to Eldon Square certainly opens up a possibility.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/555de365e5274a74ca000093/Arriva-Northumbria.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjN64HT7IfSAhXpDsAKHc93AsQQFggnMAQ&usg=AFQjCNEAvOmra9PxFcNOEjUQAy213eBgTA
When ANE and GNE took part in the depot swap a few years back, there were OfT concerns.
There have been plenty of comments about the swap and the email conversations that took place prior.
However one thing that hasn't been mentioned often (if at all) on the forum, was the role of SNE in the investigations.
You can see in the report, that ANE, GNE and the OfT had concerns about SNE sneaking in and operating in to Northumberland.
All these years on, we haven't seen much change. Will we see some in the future?
(09 Feb 2017, 8:10 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Had a proper look through the changes and i don't really know Newcastle so that's why i'm not giving feedback.
Is there any positive proposed changes?
The X82 stopping on the A69 is THE only positive
(09 Feb 2017, 3:53 pm)markydh wrote [ -> ]My god, that is some serious contrition, particularly in Kenton Bar and Montagu Estate. The removal of service 1 from Four Land Ends is puzzling. I've submitted my feedback. I can't see what the re-routing of 63 away from Fenham is trying to achieve and the 'replacement' with 71, 72 and 87 makes getting to the city centre a much longer journey. The 63 (with its 61 and 64 forebears) has run via Fenham Hall Drive for as long as I can remember. I don't think they have thought that one through.
Benton Park Road is doomed, it means that there is no 32/32A and that is needed
(12 Feb 2017, 12:08 pm)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]The X82 stopping on the A69 is THE only positive
Benton Park Road is doomed, it means that there is no 32/32A and that is needed
I think the 6/7 will be serving Four Lane Ends so it might operate along Benton Park Road
(09 Feb 2017, 1:26 pm)RBZ 5459 wrote [ -> ]![[Image: newcastle%20proposed%20changes%20web%20b...top-01.jpg]](https://www.stagecoachbus.com/media-library/images/opcos/north%20east/newcastle%20proposed%20changes/newcastle%20proposed%20changes%20web%20banners%20-%20promo%20page%20desktop-01.jpg)
The proposed Newcastle network changes are now publicly available: https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and...ed-changes
With the proposal feedback closing on Friday 24 February 2017... i wonder how long we will wait to see the results or the changes appearing on VOSA?
(12 Feb 2017, 1:48 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]With the proposal feedback closing on Friday 24 February 2017... i wonder how long we will wait to see the results or the changes appearing on VOSA?
The Newcastle changes takes place on 30th April 2017
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(12 Feb 2017, 1:56 pm)cbma06 wrote [ -> ]The Newcastle changes takes place on 30th April 2017
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Cool, middle of March for them to hopefully go on VOSA.
Does anyone know how the 18 is doing since the Sunderland changes?, i haven't used it once since it changed.
(12 Feb 2017, 2:27 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]Does anyone know how the 18 is doing since the Sunderland changes?, i haven't used it once since it changed.
Saw an 18 passing Fulwell Grange at around 12PM on Saturday towards Gilley Law. Nothing but fresh air on it at that time.
(12 Feb 2017, 5:42 pm)Simmy wrote [ -> ]Saw an 18 passing Fulwell Grange at around 12PM on Saturday towards Gilley Law. Nothing but fresh air on it at that time.
What a surprise, same as before then...
(12 Feb 2017, 6:05 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]What a surprise, same as before then...
I wonder if there will be any suggestions that Stagecoach has purposely made the service the way it is, so that they can withdraw it completely?
Or is that only suggested if there's an 'X' and a '3' in the service number? Hee-hee!!
(12 Feb 2017, 6:41 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]
I wonder if there will be any suggestions that Stagecoach has purposely made the service the way it is, so that they can withdraw it completely?
Or is that only suggested if there's an 'X' and a '3' in the service number? Hee-hee!!
Looks like it, i think there was a few people who mentioned that on here, i was one of them, it'll be gone by end of the year i just don't see it improving.
Where ever it goes, there's a Stagecoach service, near or on the exact route.
Some examples....
Seaburn - E's
Springwell - 23
Gilley Law - 3, 13
Southwick - 3, 4, 12, 13, 16
The above services all run every 10 minutes (every 20 minutes on some sections)
Of course there won't be complaints Dan, this is Stagecoach and not "Go North East".. You know that company, which only cuts services in the North East?
(12 Feb 2017, 12:08 pm)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]The X82 stopping on the A69 is THE only positive
Benton Park Road is doomed, it means that there is no 32/32A and that is needed
It's hardly doomed. It's a few minutes walk away from the Metro and there's the 52 running along with all the usual worker's services plus the 554
(10 Feb 2017, 9:13 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote [ -> ]The existing timetabling/interworking of the X78/X82/X87/X88 remains a complete mystery to me - always appears to be completely random which buses rotate on and off the X82...though I'm sure there must be a system in there somewhere!
The X87/X88 are the services that seem to suffer at peak times due to this sort of interworking funnily enough.
I just browse this forum from time to time but noticed no-one has mentioned this.
Surely most the changes in relationship with the 1 / 6 / 7 / 18 / 32 / 32A / 62 / 63 are in relationship to the closure of the road from South Gosforth to Gosforth Park in the summer as it's going to cause absolute chaos around Four Lane Ends like the day it was shut a couple of weeks ago.
Hence the reason for the 1 being taken away from Four Lane Ends, 6 not going to Forest Hall at peak times (worse time), 62 going the quick route via West Farm and having time made up in the West End so they can control it easier with potentially a lot more time added.
Then they have the 18 picking up most the mess ie. long route around Longbenton etc as it's one of the less important bus routes to them so they can leave one with all the delays and try to regulate the rest on time and also running every 40 minutes.
Especially the fact the changes are being made late April, a few weeks before it's rumoured to be starting.
It's something Arriva really need to take in consideration but no doubt the 'experts' in Luton wont do nothing and the X7, X8, 52 and 54 will just run consistently late or not at all again with them completely being oblivious to the problems and being more bothered about posting about a max launch in Stockton or something totally irrelevant like last time.
(12 Feb 2017, 11:20 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I just browse this forum from time to time but noticed no-one has mentioned this.
Surely most the changes in relationship with the 1 / 6 / 7 / 18 / 32 / 32A / 62 / 63 are in relationship to the closure of the road from South Gosforth to Gosforth Park in the summer as it's going to cause absolute chaos around Four Lane Ends like the day it was shut a couple of weeks ago.
Hence the reason for the 1 being taken away from Four Lane Ends, 6 not going to Forest Hall at peak times (worse time), 62 going the quick route via West Farm and having time made up in the West End so they can control it easier with potentially a lot more time added.
Then they have the 18 picking up most the mess ie. long route around Longbenton etc as it's one of the less important bus routes to them so they can leave one with all the delays and try to regulate the rest on time and also running every 40 minutes.
Especially the fact the changes are being made late April, a few weeks before it's rumoured to be starting.
It's something Arriva really need to take in consideration but no doubt the 'experts' in Luton wont do nothing and the X7, X8, 52, 53 and 54 will just run consistently late or not at all again with them completely being oblivious to the problems and being more bothered about posting about a max launch in Stockton or something totally irrelevant like last time.
BIB: Only Arriva's customer services are based in Luton. Their Commercial Management (i.e. the ones who deal with services changes etc) are based at the regional headquarters at Doxford Park.
(12 Feb 2017, 11:43 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]BIB: Only Arriva's customer services are based in Luton. Their Commercial Management (i.e. the ones who deal with services changes etc) are based at the regional headquarters at Doxford Park.
Ah apologies, genuinely thought it was based down must have misread that from somewhere.
PB0002404/57 Registered (Short notice)
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland to South Shields
Service number: E1E2 (E1, E2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Mar 2017
(17 Feb 2017, 4:14 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]PB0002404/57 Registered (Short notice)
BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD
Route: Sunderland to South Shields
Service number: E1E2 (E1, E2)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 01 Mar 2017
I wonder what changes are being made to services E1 & E2?
There is nothing on the Stagecoach website yet.
(17 Feb 2017, 5:07 pm)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]I wonder what changes are being made to services E1 & E2?
There is nothing on the Stagecoach website yet.
Not sure, it's just appeared today so the detailed VOSA post won't appear until next Friday - when they send the emails out.
Suspension of Bus Stops on Pallion Road near Ford Terrace
17 Feb 2017 to 22 Feb 2017
Due to ongoing preparation for the new bridge, the bus stops on Pallion Road near Ford Terrace (Opposite and outside the old Bingo Hall) need to be suspended on Sunday 19 February for 1 day affecting passengers using the services 10 and 18. The suspension of these stops will take effect from 08:00hrs and 17:00hrs.
Alternative stops should be used at either Pallion Health Centre (Hylton Road) or Fordfield Road.
Stagecoach would like to apologise to customers for any inconvenience caused during the suspension.
The final (extra) consultation even is tomorrow at Westerhope Community Centre. The fact they set up an additional event gives me hope that they will actually listen to feedback. There will be changes but I personally believe there are better options.